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    MortalKombat

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    #2098   2007-07-30 11:00 GMT      
    I have been backpacking all my life and initially all that was available was external frame packs. I am now interested in buying a new pack and don't know which would be best. I backpack recreationally with family, usually only two to three days. I like being able to strap stuff to the external frame, but wonder if the internal frames are easier to maneuver in? Are they easy to pack?

    Also, how well do the integrated hydration systems work? I have always just hiked with a water bottle. Any input would be appreciated.

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    #2099   2007-07-30 14:09 GMT      
    Internal

    they tend to be a bit lighter, better fit and you can usually cinch these packs up with compression straps so you gear isn't bouncing all over the place with every step, but internal frame need more care packing

    internal also better for carrying larger loads IMO, and better for off trail/cross country travel

    but external frame are

    easier to pack and usually cheaper, may have better ventilation behind the back
    also external frame have more pockets with easier access to gear

    you may find that an external frame works fine for you for most trips

    my suggestion would be to go to a place like REI and rent packs of either kind on 10 mile or so trips


    also I have to add that internal frame packs are the in thing these days, external frame used to be the dominant pack about 20 years ago, but internal frame are the more common pack now, so you will find more variety of internal frame at the better backpacking/camping stores


    And I've never had trouble lashing things to the exterior of internal frame, usually you can lash/stow sleeping pads either horizontally under the top pocket, horizontally at bottom ot the pack or vertically to the center outside of the pack

    but heavier items should go inside close to your center of balance (closer to you back)

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    #2100   2007-07-30 14:35 GMT      
    I absolutley love my Kelty Tioga external frame. It could just be that the reason love it is that I have the ideal body for carrying an external frame pack. I'm tall long waisted w/ big shoulders .Maybe if I was a smaller person I would hate it

    I like my Tioga bc
    It carries weight real well- I've had over 80 lbs in it w/ no problems
    With an extra backband , it ventilates really well
    I hate digging for stuff so I like all the extra pockets and lash points
    It packs really well , I can stand it up and pack it
    Lastly it's great to lean against when taking a siesta or sleeping w/ o a tent.
    Aside from not being fashionable , externals do have two disadvantages ,on really steep rough terrain they will not move with you i,n fact they may move against thereby causing all sorts of balance issues
    In heavy wind the tend to act like a sail.
    I've never used an internal hydration system bc it just has this certain "gadget du jour "quality to it that intellectually I find unappealing.

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    #2101   2007-07-30 15:25 GMT      
    I recently purchased a Kelty Agile 4500 internal frame backpack and I am more than satisfied with it! It's the first time I've been able to easily pack all the gear I planned on taking, and then was able to access all that gear when I needed a particular item.
    There is provision for a hydration bladder at the top, but I prefer to carry two one-liter water bottles in the mesh pockets on the side. A collapsible water container is used when I find my last water source of the day. This ensures I have enough water to handle cooking dinner and breakfast and to refill the water bottles the next morning.
    I tie my self-inflating mattress and stuff sack containing my shelter's collapsible poles and stakes onto the top of the pack. Sleeping bag and 2-man tent fit into the bottom of the pack easily, as well as spare clothes and other gear, plus a seven-day supply of food.
    Lots of compression straps to cinch down the loads and adjust the shoulder, sternum and waist straps to the sizes I need and the frame is bendable to mold it to my back's curvature.

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    #2102   2007-07-30 23:34 GMT      
    I'm a little old fashioned and I do like external frame packs. They're much easier to pack and arrange but if you're out in the bushes they get caught on everything. Comfort wise there is no difference between the two that I have noticed. The nice thing about an external frame is you can unpack the bottom of the pack first and you can't do that with an internal frame.
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